The Great Young Offenders Act Debate

The debate for March 2000 is:

Mike Harris, the Premier of Ontario has said that if you ask any 5 Ontario high school students, one of them will tell you where they can get an illegal handgun.

Are handguns this easy to obtain?

Are young persons carrying handguns in Ontario schools?

What are the facts?

Note: Do NOT conduct a survey in your school unless you first have written permission from your Principal and/or law teacher. School authorities, parents, or the police could misinterpret your study as a real attempt or conspiracy to acquire handguns.  

Read What Other Have Said


City:
Mississauga, Ontario
Date:
15 Feb 2000
Time:
20:14:04

Comments

I believe the comments by Mr. Harris are political rhetoric without any foundation in fact. There are virtually no criminal charges laid in our Courts prosecuting young persons for possession or use of handguns.


City:
Toronto
Date:
17 Feb 2000
Time:
13:12:14

Comments

I think its true about that one out five kids in the Ontario high schools do carry hand guns even though that its illegal to have one with them. That's why we must be more careful of what we deal with as students of the Ontario high schools. But as a students of the Pope John Paul C.S.S. and other school in Toronto Ontario, we must we must fight back with courage to beat the violence and try to make it a better place for the students to be in during their teenage lives.


City:
Toronto
Date:
18 Feb 2000
Time:
14:47:44

Comments

I think its pretty stupid of mike harris that he thinks that 1 in 5 students know where to buy an illegal gun. that just stupid and stupid and crazy. 


City:
Milton
Date:
18 Feb 2000
Time:
20:32:10

Comments

In a way I agree with Mike Harris, but in another way I don't. I really think it depends on where you live. Milton is a fairly small and safe town, so saying that 1 in 5 students know where to get an illegal handgun seems pretty ridiculous to me. But I could see in a city like Toronto, students knowing where to get illegal handguns, but still 1 in 5 seems like a lot to me.


City:
Mississauga
Date:
21 Feb 2000
Time:
17:35:34

Comments

i think handguns should totally not be allowed because lately there has been severe acts of crime especially at high schools and these youths mishandle this weapon many of my family members have been a victim or even tried using one themselves but they knew the consequences and threw the gun away.


City:
Caledonia
Date:
23 Feb 2000
Time:
00:02:45

Comments

I teach in a high school. Some of the comments I have read show how naive and downright stupid people are"...virtually no charges... laid for possession or use of handguns"? It is people like this guy who help keep the YOA around!!


City:
Mississauga, ON
Date:
24 Feb 2000
Time:
 

Comments

With the greatest of respect to the high school teacher above, I protest the allegation that I am "naive and downright stupid". Such language is unacceptable in this discussion.

My experience is based on 21 years of prosecuting and defending young persons in criminal matters. The empirical data is clear: young persons are rarely charged with offences involving guns. See the data at: Sentencing under the Young Offenders Act.

There is a myth in Canada that we have a problem with guns in schools. Canadians, have become convinced that they live in a violent society. That is simply not true. It is possible however that our society will become more and more violent as fearful people start buying guns and start taking other measures to protect themselves from "criminals". The supposed "criminals" are us. This is a very dangerous trend. Politicians who feed these unfounded fears with their talk of "getting tough on crime" are responsible for changing a peaceable kingdom into  the wild west. They need to be challenged when they create false crises for their own political ends.

Resort by the above high school teacher to an "ad hominem" argument that I am "naive and downright stupid" is fallacious and illogical reasoning which would never be accepted in any court of law, in Parliament, or in a high school debate. 

S. Biss


City:
Tyler
Date:
29 Feb 2000
Time:
13:40:25

Comments

Handguns shouldn't be brought to school


City:
Ottawa
Date:
29 Feb 2000
Time:
17:51:59

Comments

I believe youth violence is increasing drastically in Canada. We had a discussion about violence in our English class last week. Our discussion included the issue of obtaining handguns, knives etc. Not to my surprise, but almost one half of the class claimed that they could get a gun if they wanted one. This is an increasing dangerous problem that needs to be addressed quickly. Hope to see some improvement!


City:
SCARBOROUGH
Date:
02 Mar 2000
Time:
23:42:44

Comments

WELL I THINK YOU CAN FIND A STEREOTYPICAL OR RACIST PEOPLE WHO WOULD POINT OUT TO A CERTAIN GROUPS OF PEOPLE AND SAY THEY SELL GUNS. BUT I AM A TEENAGER AND I KNOW HOW THE GUNS GET TO A KIDS HAND. I HATE TO SEE VIOLENCE BUT AT THE SAME TIME I BELIEVE IN THE UNIFORM RULES, I AM RELATING TO MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE AND SAYING THAT A UNIFORM CODE AND A NAME ID NOT ON THE NECK LIKE A DOG TAG BUT JUST LIKE THE PROFESSIONAL OFFICES A NAME AND PHOTO ID CLIPPED TO THE LEFT SIDE OF OUR SHIRT WOULD MAKE THE PLACE A DISCIPLINED PLACE. NOT ONLY THAT I DISAGREE WITH HARRIS'S CUT BACK ON TEACHERS. I GO TO A SCHOOL NAMED MGCI AND IN THIS SCHOOL EVEN WITH THE CUT BACKS THE TEACHERS DO STAY AFTER SCHOOL AND HELP US EVEN THOUGH THEY DO NOT GET PAID. THERE ARE TEACHERS WHO ARE AT SCHOOL EARLY AT 7:00 TO HELP STUDENTS IN OUR SCHOOL, WHILE HARRIS STILL YAWNS IN HIS SLEEP.


City:
DON MILLS
Date:
02 Mar 2000
Time:
23:57:38

Comments

I THINK THAT FIRST OF ALL RACISM MUST STOP AND STEREOTYPING SHOULD ALSO. IN 1996, THE SCHOOL THAT I GOTO IS MARC GARNEAU COLLEGIATE INSTITUTE AND MY FRIEND WAS SPAT IN THE FACE AND CALLED A (RACIST NAME) BY A STUDENT WHOSE NATIONALITY IS GREEK. THIS MATTER WAS DEALT WITH THE OFFICE AND THE STUDENT WAS BACK INTO THE CLASS ROOM THE NEXT DAY. AND WHEN THE STUDENT ASKED TO TAKE THE OFFENDER TO COURT THE OFFICE SAID SURE. THEY CALLED THE POLICE AND THEN THIS MATTER FADED. IN A MEETING WHERE THE PRINCIPAL HAD TO TALK TO THIS CERTAIN COMMUNITY ABOUT SCHOOL RELATED ISSUE ONE STUDENT STOOD UP AND ASKED ABOUT THIS INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED THE PRINCIPAL SAID I WASN'T AWARE OF THIS MATTER AND GOT OFF THE STAGE AND LEFT WITH THE EXCUSE THAT HE HAD TO LEAVE. WELL THIS PARTICULAR STUDENT COULD HAVE MADE UP A LIST JUST LIKE THE COLUMBINE SHOOTING AND HAVE SHOT PARTICULAR PEOPLE AND ANOTHER CHAOS CAN HAPPEN.. I THINK WHAT AND HOW THE STUDENTS DISCIPLINE IN A SCHOOL HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE PRINCIPAL. TEACHERS HAVE PICKED ON ME AND EVEN IN A MULTICULTURAL CEREMONY WHERE 15 MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY WERE THERE WHEN I WALKED IN PLACING A CAR STEREO CASE INTO MY JACKET AND WALKED INTO THIS AUDITORIUM WHEN 2 OFFICERS WHO WAS GUARDING THE DOORS AND THE PRINCIPAL WHO CLAIMED HE SAW ME PUTTING A GUN INTO MY JACKET POCKET RUSHED ME TO THE WALL AND DID A CHECK UP AND FOUND MY STEREO CASE AND SIMPLY SAID SORRY AND LEFT WHILE I WAS LEFT WITH THE EMBARRASSMENT OF MY LIFE.


City:
Barrie
Date:
07 Mar 2000
Time:
15:25:58

Comments

I am a student at St. Petes secondary school and I've never seen anyone at my school with a handgun. we've had some threats of some kid shooting someone but nothing really happened (kid got expelled). It wouldn't be really hard for us to get handguns at all, basically all the people who do drugs can get a gun from a dealer, and I've seen a lot of kids do drugs.


City:
Waterloo
Date:
09 Mar 2000
Time:
18:20:40

Comments

Any young person could easily acquire almost any kind of gun at a school. You just have to know the right person to ask.


Vancouver
Date:
15 Mar 2000
Time:
03:27:45

Comments

It's not what I think, it's what my rational choice and reasonable choice would be. My rational choice would say that guns kill people. It's a lot easier to have a deadly accident if there is a hand gun around during a severe argument, police are allowed to carry handguns, why can't we equip them with shocking devices, or maybe a good concept might be "cell phones", then they could call for back up, and no need for a fatal shooting. What is a police officer going to gain if they dangerously pursue a suspect. First, they are risking their personal safety, as well as the publics (high speed chases). One thing that one might keep in mind, that sooner or later you will get that suspect. Maybe, not now, later is for sure. Thanks for your time.


City:
Alliston, Ontario
Date:
20 Mar 2000
Time:
09:54:29

Comments

In Alliston, itself, handguns are not that easy to obtain, but the city (Toronto) is only a short drive away and that is easy. There have been no reports of guns being brought into my school (Banting Memorial), but as time goes on, and the population increases I fear that will be short lived.


City:
Toronto
Date:
27 Mar 2000
Time:
16:16:34

Comments

Fellow Canadians, Canada is doing a pretty good job with gun control hats off to the federal gov, but... i don't care if you hunt or fish or you used to be in the army i don't feel that guns should be owned by anyone, hunting an defenseless animal with a rifle is murder. Let's keep guns out of the cities and out of the country forever and let's show our southern neighbors how no guns equal less crime.


City:
Toronto
Date:
02 Apr 2000
Time:
16:25:43

Comments

I don't think hand guns are that easy to find. If it was that easy we all could have destroyed each other.


City:
Edmonton
Date:
05 Apr 2000
Time:
16:25:30

Comments

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City:
Peterborough
Date:
09 Apr 2000
Time:
13:26:21

Comments

I learned in my Canadian justice class, that Canada charges twice as many youths as the nearest developed country, (U.S.) Doesn't this tell us that we have more stringent laws, the alternative is that our youths are more corrupt, and I myself don't believe this is the case!


City:
Toronto, Ontario
Date:
15 Apr 2000
Time:
03:18:59

Comments

Regarding the post below. I am a high school student and I can tell you it is very easy to get a gun. I know 3 people in my school I could go to today!


City:
Thornhill
Date:
15 Apr 2000
Time:
09:24:45

Comments

Its sooo easy to get a gun, I knew where to get a gun in eighth grade. I don't want one, but if someone wants one, all I'm saying is that it'll be easy for them to get a hold of one,


City:
Ancaster
Date:
24 Apr 2000
Time:
15:35:23

Comments

I think that hand guns should only be permitted to police officers and all stores that carry guns should either close or be highly supervised!!! thank you


City:
kansas city missouri
Date:
10 Nov 2000
Time:
15:01:14

Comments

Well, how do we know this is true? I didnt see any #'s or %'s. I mean that is very common amount, im a teenager and i dont know were and neither do half... HALF!!!! of the p[eople were i go to school. Think about it that has to be wrong. thnx


City:
England, UK
Date:
04 Dec 2000
Time:
09:37:20

Comments

I think that if you are opposed to people shooting other people you should consider voting against governments which operate to support the national gun clubs etc. If guns werent so readily available then I doubt schoolchildren would be able to get one! A gun amnesty would be welcome. Personally I agree with Ben Elton: The only question you need to ask anyone applying for a gun licence is Do you WANT a gun? If the answer is yes then they obviously arent intelligent enough to have one! If someone wants to hurt someone bad enough they probably will, but pulling a trigger is far easier and more deadly than stabbing. Its like designer trainers etc. lets some people have them and pretty soon everyone wants one. Write to your senators/MPs etc and make a real move to ridding the streets and schools of guns. If it wasnt so easy to get them legally more could be done to stop illegal trafficking in guns! In the UK about 1 in 500,000 kids would be able to get a gun NOT 1 in 5.


City:
orleans
Date:
21 Dec 2000
Time:
10:08:27

Comments

Handguns are not that easy to get. I know most of my friends have no clue where they can get a handgun. Also most of them don't even want a hangun. I mean why would a youth at this age really need a handgun. but i have to say they must be easy to obtain beacuase youths at the age of 17 still have handguns and I have no idea how they got it.


City:
Ottawa
Date:
21 Dec 2000
Time:
10:19:08

Comments

Some teenagers these days are nuts!!! I'm 17 and get mad (as we all do) sometimes but I would never think of brining a gun, or knife of any other weapon to school. The ones that do ARE CRACKHEADS!!!


City:
Oshawa, Ontario
Date:
07 Jan 2001
Time:
15:20:02

Comments

I am a high school student. I do posess a fire arm. I have an FAC. I am very unhappy with the comments made by many of the peoplt on this forum assuming that posession of a fire arm means that you wish to use in for an illegal purpose. Although i have never fired a handgun, I am very familiar with rifles. I know many people who hunt, although I prefer target shooting. Most of the people that I know that posses a firearm are the most sane, and rational people I have met. THEY DO NOT SHOOT TO KILL OTHER PEOPLE. As the saying goes "guns don't kill people, people kill people". So, in response directly to the gentelman from england; i like my rifle, i am completely sane, and I would be anxious to compare your intelligence level to many of the gun owners that I am associated with.


City:
Mississauga
Date:
13 Jan 2001
Time:
17:47:56

Comments

I dont think that their is alot of violence not any worse than other places I feel safe at school and Im not afraid to walk alone I love it where I live and I never want it to change..


City:
Iroquois
Date:
15 May 2001
Time:
10:53:28

Comments

I think that this site has nothing to do with racism. Thanx for your little help!!!!


City:
Date:
06 Jun 2001
Time:
16:44:21

Comments

I don't believe him for a minute. There is no possible way that 1 in 5 kids would know where to find an illegal handgun. Maybe 1 in 15 or 20, if that. Toronto is a pretty bad place but I don't think that it could possibly be that bad


City:
Owen Sound, Ontario
Date:
21 Jan 2002
Time:
20:28:32

Comments

Some of you people are either blind or do not want to see what is actually right in front of your eyes!!!!! I am 16 years old, and live in a small city. Of course 1 in 5 know where to get a gun! There is probably more then that, if a teenager wants to get a hold of a gun it is totally possible. Ask around the school you'd get pretty much anything you were looking for in no time. Stop being so blind and open your eyes. Hes right.


City:
Alliston
Date:
23 Jan 2002
Time:
22:48:28

Comments

We pack gats and tings yAAA


City:
Ottawa
Date:
11 Feb 2002
Time:
11:10:00

Comments

I know people who pack when they come to school, and I could if i wanted too - but I'm a passivist, so I don't need a piece. But as long as you don't agravate the person with the gun, you won't be confronted, by the gun.


City:
otawa
Date:
01 Apr 2002
Time:
20:57:33

Comments

I'm sorry mr Harris if one in five teens know were to get a handgun. I bet you not one in a thousand acctually carry the things i'm a sophmore in high school and do not know of one person who has posetion of a handgun. Teenagers should not be allowed handguns in the first place. horomons can promote among other things undetected violence towards our peers.


City:
Calgary
Date:
10 Apr 2002
Time:
17:19:55

Comments

I think that some of the people here are exagerating. I am 15 in a high school, and i dont know anyone who has a gun or anyone who could seel me or somone eles a gun. I could probably get one if i really wanted to but it would not be as easy as walking up to my dealer and buying it form her. thank you


City:
Scarborough,Ontario
Date:
17 Apr 2002
Time:
08:00:43

Comments

Hell Yeh, im packin heat right now. Seriously though, when theres demand theres always a supplier... If you seriously want to get glock to settle a score and know the right people, these thigns go for something like $300-400 fresh from the factory of two for something like $600, you can get em cheaper if you got hookups. ;)


City:
Cambridge
Date:
23 Apr 2002
Time:
19:54:09

Comments

their are a lot of uneducate people on this site. every single teenager in every single school could get a gun if they wanted. it might take a few days, but it is definatly possible. in fact, im going to ask around, i bet i can come on here tomorrow night and tell eveyrone that i can buy a gun if i want.


City:
Edmonton
Date:
16 May 2002
Time:
13:10:45

Comments

Obviously, Mr. Harris' comments are well-founded. Practically all youths in any given city know where to find access to illegal handguns-if the police cannot control something as obvious as drug dealing, how do we expect them to control the illegal trade of handguns. The reason that there are practically no charges of minors carrying illegal handguns is because of the Young Offenders Act-many minors cannot be charged with "real charges" because of this act, and if they are the charges cannot be made public.


City:
CALGARY
Date:
16 May 2002
Time:
13:21:37

Comments

I think its funny that i can see a trend emerging while I read these messages. Almost all the adults have said that it would be way harder than a 1 in 5 chance for a student to get a handgun, while the kids say it would be easy. Hello? the students are the ones who would know, don't you think? it's true what one of the teenagers said: "Any of the kids who do drugs can get a gun from a dealer. And I've seen a lot of kids do drugs." Wake up, adults. We kids live in a world (school and otherwise) far more dangerous and sinister than most likely what you saw when attending school. any kid, anywhere can get an illegal handgun, you just have to have connections, and if you don't, there are always people who will set you up with some.


City:
alberta
Date:
28 May 2002
Time:
16:55:28

Comments

i think that teens do have handguns but not that may of them do

City:
Anano\ymous
Date:
06 Jun 2002
Time:
11:31:34

Comments

here is the thing with this debate. 1 in 5 kids know where they could get a hand gun. i do. almost every kid COULD get a hand gun if he or she actually wanted one. i think that he means 1 in 5 know where to get one from everyday life. I am quite confident almost any person could get a handgun in 48 hours if they reallly so desired


City:
Apsley, Ontario
Date:
03 Oct 2002
Time:
18:56:09

Comments

I agree that handguns should be illegal to teens, but I also believe that laws or no laws, if a teen wants a handgun, that teen will get it. But why focus just on teens. Its well known that people over the age of twenty pretty much do the most illegal things with weapons. Teens are just experimenting with what they can get away with, and what they like to do. But I honestly think that making people have to register every gun they own is dumb. If you cant buy it legally, you will buy it illegally. Just my comment.


City:
sydney
Date:
30 Oct 2002
Time:
20:37:50

Comments

i think its wrong to to know where to obtain a handgun from.they should not learn about them coz then they will want to use them


City:
Qur
Date:
04 Dec 2002
Time:
10:54:19

Comments

I think there all QUR


City:
Tronto
Date:
04 Dec 2002
Time:
10:55:08

Comments

I think there all QUR


City:
scarborough
Date:
04 Dec 2002
Time:
12:28:13

Comments

Ever since a majority decided to stop hitting there children, give them anything they want, support all of there dessisions no matter how wrong they are and lie helpless hopping they'l make the right decision insted of inforcing the rules, our society (youth) in preticular have gone off the walls. What will happen when the young hoodlums of today become future judges? can we realy trust our country to one day be handled by this young generation? Anyone who breaks the law should pay acordingly, with punishments increased with the number of offences. our government should not be taking pitty on the young generation of criminals. our government looks at young effenders as lost kids with no scense of dirrection. what our government doesn't realise is just how much dirrection out youths have ... and how willing they are to keep commiting crimes throughout the rest of there lives. we need to take control of our youth, and make examples of the youth that will not cooperate. not fell pitty for a person that opnly tells the world that he's apart of a gang. just think of this: The kids of today....The leaders of tomorow. think of this and youl knoe whats wrong, as well as what needs to be done.


City:
Calgary
Date:
04 Dec 2002
Time:
15:38:31

Comments

As a high school student, I know that handguns are a reality, but not in the quantity that Mr. Harris has said. The majority of students that do carry handguns represent a very small percent of the student body, and often lead adults to paint all teenagers with the same paintbrush.


City:
Landmark
Date:
21 Jan 2003
Time:
14:31:57

Comments

I think that some of these people here should not post their opinion if they have nothing but the obvious to state.

On that note, my opinion on guns in schools is mainly that it is an unfortunate truth that such young individiuals can obtain these weapons. Sadly, there is not much we can do to prevent this, only counsel kids on why this is wrong.

My two cents.


City:
Charlottetown, PEI
Date:
16 Feb 2003
Time:
19:00:14

Comments

Young people will get illegal stuff no matter what. I am a responsible firearms owner and I get upset when people say that guns cause crime. The reason we have more violent youth crime nowadays is because there is less discipline and structure at home.Most Children nowadays have no fear of authority.There is no fear anymore of parents, teachers, Jesus, police.etc. Forty or fifty years ago there were twice as many firearms in Canadian households and there were none of these school shootings that we are seeing nowadays. I blame the anti-family crowd and the Young Offender's Act for alot of the youth problems we have in Canada.


City:
Redfield
Date:
08 May 2003
Time:
15:49:49

Comments

I think that handguns should be made illegal. More and more students and young people are getting ahold on handguns and are hurting people. Some people think that the gun they are holding won't go off but when they pull the trigger more than likely they get a surprise that may hurt or kill someone. Some people don't think before they do something wrong. What if a drunk got ahold of a handgun? Would you like the consequence? Many handguns are becoming more and more harmful, whether you like it or not. Younger people get ahold of the stuff whether you want them to or not. They always have a way of getting things. GUNS AREN'T COOL!! There is always a consequence.


City:
Edmonton Alberta Canada
Date:
28 May 2003
Time:
14:46:30

Comments

I think that the question should not be weather or not handguns can be easily atained, but what we can do about it. if you really wanted to anyone could gain acess to a gun so I believe that we should monitor students more closely and watch for possible signes of agression and those students who are under constant threat from bullies.


City:
Ontario
Date:
10 Jun 2003
Time:
10:24:53

Comments

i think guns are fine as long as they are easy to obtain, because the harder it is to afford a gun the more the person wants to rob a bank or kill someone for their money back


City:
Brampton
Date:
26 Sep 2003
Time:
14:31:34

Comments

I know for a fact how easy it is to get guns any kind and for very cheap. If you want a new gun the cost is $500.00 fo something small but deadly. If you want a cheaper one find one that has been used ina amurder or crime already and it is sold for half the price, $250.00. Kids are brging guns to school, and not just to look cool, but for protection and to hurt people. These are the facts ahte to bust everybody's bubble but thats the truth. I know, I am going to school, have friends like that. It's the truth sucks doesnt it! Do something about it tlkaing wont help!


City:
vancouver
Date:
04 Oct 2003
Time:
19:48:08

Comments

I am a student in vancouver and i`m am certain that getting a gun is a matter of having a right amount of money.a high school kid can get a "dirty" hand gun already used 1000 times by others.and then sell it to someone else. The only thing that you need to get a gun is 200-300 dollars.plus more for extra clips...


City:
hillingdon
Date:
11 Nov 2003
Time:
05:29:30

Comments

i tink dat handgunz r aight if u dnt use dem in da rong effection! dnt get me rong i could neva use 1 myself but i no how un-safe peopl feel nowadays! and if day no 2 keep it on da safety lock den day could jus use it 2 scare, ya get me! safe 4 hearin wot gyal had 2 say! nuff love 2 all ma sp mandem! hol it yeah! dats enough ov dat bad behavour! Love, Pieace and Hair grease.xXxXx MWAH xXxXx


City:
denver
Date:
08 Jan 2004
Time:
13:25:24

Comments

weapons r to easy to be obtained by the bublic.


City:
Pemborke
Date:
09 Jan 2004
Time:
10:03:40

Comments

1 out 5 high school students says that they have a firearm or can get a firearm, But its all-just talk. Chances of having a firearm in Canadian school's are very low, the students who are more likely to bring a weapon to school are the one who suffer from harassment of other students. We should focus more on school harassment.


City:
Kitchener
Date:
09 Feb 2004
Time:
07:53:45

Comments

I am suprised by the lack of thought that goes into these answers! The problem is not the guns! Suprise suprise. The problem is the people behind the guns. My kid brother could get a gun without a problem. That is because he owns a few himself. However, he has been properly trained to handle these firearms by myself and by the Federal government. Why do I feel safe with guns in his hands? For the simple reason that I and my parents took the time to train him to manage his anger and frustrations in positive ways. If the people of Ontario were to teach us how to manage our anger and frustrations positively, there would be little school violence. A firearm properly secured is less of a threat to all of society than the kitchen knife in your drawer. Removing firearms from society will not make our schools safer. Rather teaching people to manage themselves will make our schools safe from all kinds of violence - not just firearm violence. Guns don't shoot people, people shoot people!


City:
ETOBICOKE
Date:
24 Mar 2004
Time:
22:21:39

Comments

THAT I HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL


City:
london
Date:
31 Mar 2004
Time:
12:58:37

Comments

dangers of carring weapons


City:
Winnipeg
Date:
02 Apr 2004
Time:
03:35:32

Comments

Guns are easy to get, weather your a teenager in highschool, or a full grown adult. It won't matter what permits you put in place, what types of weapons you ban, or if you outlawed all types of firearms in Canada. Law abiding citizens will follow the laws, criminals will buy illeagal weapons on the plack market and vicimise the rest of the population.

Now that you completely disarmed those that follow the law, and pose no threat to themselves or other in thier communities, the criminals can run around virtualy un-challanged as they loot and pillage your properties and businessess, assult and rape the women, and whatever else they fancey.

Whats that? What about the police? Well, unless the police happen to be right there while an offence is taking place, they will show up after the fact. It would take at least a couple minuits for them to respond after a call was made, if they were close to the crime scene in an urban area. This time can grow to over an hour if your unfortunate enough to live in a rural area. And keep in mind your not likely going to be able to call the police before or during the actual offence. This leaves the criminal more then enough time to rob you, kill you, rape you, or whatever he wants, and your powerless to stop him.

Now, what if law abiding citizens, who passed thier appropriate safe handling tests to the same standard as police officers, and were proven through criminal screening processes to be no danger to himself or others, was allowed to carry a concealed handgun after obtaining the proper permits? He happens along the crime in progress, and he has the power to act imediatly to end the crime instantly. The criminal gets hurt or killed, but he was willing to do it to others, and what goes around comes around. The police might have done the same thing anyway.

Not only can criminals be stopped in thier tracks more readly, and with less damage to law abiding citizens and thier property, but these criminals will be less likely to comit these crimes in the first place. Would you attack a stranger if you knew it was legal for them to defend themselves, and carry the weapons to do it, but didn't know for sure who had a handgun on them and who didn't? To quote the highschool teacher with an earlier comment, that would be 'downright stupid'. See? You don't even have to carry a weapon yourself to benifite from the safety they can bring.

Guns will always be easy for criminals to obtain, and nothing we do is ever going to change this. What we need to concentrate on is making sure law abiding peaceful citizens of this country can defend themselves against the preditors of civilized society, and that the criminals that prey on the innocent are punnished much more harshley, young offender or not, so that they either learn not to comite such an act again, or are incapable of doing it.


City:
North of Toronto, ON
Date:
05 Apr 2004
Time:
22:25:54

Comments

Lights...camera...ACTION! It's dark, a woman is walking to her car after a long hard day at work. Her mind is on getting home to her daughter who just had her first day of school. She is looking forward to hearing how her day went. The parking lot is quiet as she unlocks the car door and climbs in. Suddenly, a masked man with a gun appears and forces his way into the car and...the rest is history! An innocient, defencless life is defiled and distroyed. CUT! CUT! Back up to the man approaching the car! Take the gun from his hand and place it in the hand of this woman that has been trained to use it. Now...ACTION! A criminal is stopped...a woman's life is spared and she lives to see her family. Why is the Canadian government so bent on eliminating such an effective means of defence. I believe a criminal would think twice about attacking anybody that could potentially defend themselves to such an extent.


City:
Morson Ontario
Date:
06 Apr 2004
Time:
12:24:03

Comments

I do think that it is easy to obtain a gun because guns are being sold everywhere, on the streets, in stores, etc. Maybe in some schools people are carrying guns but not here at my school, Rainy River High School. Did you ever watch Bowling for Columbine? Although it is in America, guns canbe bought and shot anywhere.


City:
Winnipeg
Date:
20 Apr 2004
Time:
19:43:14

Comments

"I do think that it is easy to obtain a gun because guns are being sold everywhere, on the streets, in stores, etc. Maybe in some schools people are carrying guns but not here at my school, Rainy River High School. Did you ever watch Bowling for Columbine? Although it is in America, guns canbe bought and shot anywhere"

Handguns have been registered in Canada since 1978, and people were required to pass a sceening test and get an FAC to buy any firearm from a licenced dealer. Guns that wind up in the streets don't come from the corner gun store. They are stolen from thier legal, responsible owners by criminals, or smuggled in by criminals, to be used in crimes. In order to sell guns, dealers must met the regulations, and get the proper permits to operate. In order to buy a firearm from a licensed dealer, you must first take a safety course, fill out an application form, pass the screening, and wait for your card to come in the mail, and thats for your average hunting rifle or shotgun. If you want to buy handguns, you must also take the restricted fireamrs safety course, apply for the restricted accuisition permit, and show a legitimate need for a restricted firearm. Guns are so easy to find on the street because criminals don't care what laws and regulations are in place. They will go into a dark alley, give some guy called Snake his money, and walk back out with a stolen/smuggled handgun in under ten minutes. Much easier then us lawful people.


City:
Winnipeg
Date:
20 Apr 2004
Time:
19:47:24

Comments

Sorry, wrong date for the registering of the handguns...it was 1934...


City:
Los Alamos
Date:
26 May 2004
Time:
18:01:35

Comments

An earlier poster said "I do think that it is easy to obtain a gun because guns are being sold everywhere, on the streets, in stores, etc. Maybe in some schools people are carrying guns but not here at my school, Rainy River High School. Did you ever watch Bowling for Columbine? Although it is in America, guns canbe bought and shot anywhere."

That is a totally false statement. If Canadians are using "Bowling for Columbine" as a source for facts, you are in sad shape. Michael Moore has stated that the film is a social commentary only...not a documentary, and may be mildly entertaining.


City:
hezulton
Date:
17 Jun 2004
Time:
16:17:46

Comments

I think yuong miners should not have guns


City:
Winnipeg
Date:
08 Jul 2004
Time:
12:37:46

Comments

"I think yuong miners should not have guns"

Because a Mine shaft makes such a great shooting range....


City:
I live in Quebec
Date:
14 Dec 2004
Time:
17:04:51

Comments

I don't think you should be aloud to carry handguns in the school even if they are empty. Why would you need to bring something like that to school. Its just stupid, something really dumb can happen. Like last year...at my school one of my friends was keeping a gun in a locker for a friend who didn't go to our school. A bunch of guys new and a teacher over heard them talking. So my friend and HIS friends all got suspended for almost a month and weren't aloud to leave the building at recess and lunch for the rest of the year. What a waste of time.


City:
caltxs
Date:
04 Apr 2005
Time:
16:32:34

Comments

get them out of my school


City:
Toronto
Date:
07 Apr 2005
Time:
09:20:55

Comments

1 in 5! that's stupid. I could ask 100 people and only 2 or 3 could tell me where to by a gun. The people who want firearms will get them. They will find a way. These kids have some problem with the world and think that opening a spray of bullets on their high-school is the only way to stop the people who are making his like a living hell. I don't want firearms in my high-school. I don;t wanna come home to figure out some opened fire on my brother's math class or my friend'd class. But kids will get their hands on guns in whatever way they can.